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Do Babies Automatically Go to Heaven?
The question of the salvifici state of infants is fraught with emotionalism. Who wants to think that a baby, whom we think as innocent being consigned at death to any other place than heaven? Surely, we say to ourselves that God will not...cannot hold anything against a baby. The argument goes, that to think of God as doing anything but giving babies an automatic pass into heaven would be to think of God as some sort of monster. What does the Bible say, if anything on the state of babies in death?
Perhaps the most referenced text is 2 Sam 12:22-23.
And he said, “While the child was alive, I fasted and wept; for I said, ‘Who can tell whether the LORD will be gracious to me, that the child may live?’ But now he is dead; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.”
This comes from the account of King David who God said was being punished by having his child die because David stole another man's wife & the baby was the result of David's relationship with the woman. David held out hope by fasting & praying that God might not take the child, but in verse 22 David tells his servants why he stopped his supplication upon hearing that the child had died.
The point we are supposed to get from this, so says the advocates of automatic infant salvation is that David says, “Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me”. The inference is that David is going to go where the baby is & that since we are to understand that David will go to heaven when he died, so the baby must have gone to heaven. It seems logical enough.
But is that what the verse is actually saying? And if it was, does it mean ALL babies go to heaven automatically? Rather, the Jews had a concept much like Roman Catholicism's concept of purgatory – a temporal state BEFORE heaven, before the judgment. We see this in the parable Jesus related about the Rich Man & Lazarus in Luke 16:19-31.
So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom...And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’ Lk 16:22-23, 26
This is an account of a rich man & a poor man that upon their mutual deaths, one goes to a temporal place of torment & the other to a place to be with father Abraham. Neither were in actual “heaven” but rather in a place called “Hades” & a place called “Abraham's Bosom”. (see reference links)
So, understanding the Jewish concept of what happens at death, we can see that David could easily say that he will go where his dead child is, even if the child goes to one place & David to another -- the concept of death was to “go to the grave” -- the place of death.
Another text I've seen used to say that infant salvation is automatic is 1 Cor 7:14
For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy.
We are supposed to infer that children are made holy or “sanctified” automatically. First, there is a problem with how some people understand sanctification, it is NOT a synonym for being saved. Otherwise reading the text again, we could suppose a non-believing spouse is automatically “saved” by the belief of a believing spouse. The verse is not saying that. Sanctification is a position of grace. An unbelieving spouse & the children of a believing spouse will share in the benefits & extended grace of the believer. Just being around the believer will bring benefits to the unbelieving, BUT it does not save the unbelievers – neither the unbelieving spouse or children.
So, is there any place in the Bible that tells us what happens to babies who die? No, not specifically. When addressing the inherited sinful nature of mankind, the Bible doesn't classify people as babies, toddlers, teenagers, & adults. The newborn baby is as “guilty” of the sinful nature, even if not of individual sins as is the 120 year-old. We must keep in mind the Bible when addressing sin is not usually addressing individual actions as much as it is addressing the overall nature of mankind.
Some texts that talk about this are:
The wicked are estranged from the womb; They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies.-- Psalm 58:3
This verse shows that at least someone is considered wicked from the womb, even before they are born & as soon as they are born they are wicked as well. So the least we could say if this were the only verse, is that not all babies are born innocent. But there is more.
God speaking of an entire group of people says,
Surely you did not hear, Surely you did not know; Surely from long ago your ear was not opened. For I knew that you would deal very treacherously, And were called a transgressor from the womb. -- Isaiah 48:8
The “innocent at birth” concept isn't looking so accurate when the Bible is opened upon the topic. Perhaps the pivotal verses are found in Romans 9 in the account a woman giving birth to twins & the state of the twins even before they were born:
...when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.” -- Romans 9:10-13
How can this be? How can God favor one person over another before either was born & had done anything “good or evil”? Even that is answered in the following verses:
What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. -- Romans 9:14-16
It is clear from the Bible that at least not ALL babies are automatically “innocent” & that God can & does have plans & purpose for people even BEFORE they are born.
But to open up the issue more, for the people who claim all babies automatically go to heaven at death, think about what this means. It means for one, that perhaps abortionists have sent more people to heaven than all the evangelism in history. It means (as despicable as it sounds) that the way a person could insure their children go to heaven would be to kill them before they reach some fictitious “age of accountability”.
Historically, the Church has taught differing things about the state of babies at death...differing only in degree, but not scope. The Roman Catholics taught a “limbo” for infants who were not baptized before death, often referred to as limbus infantium but have recently been declaring that there is no such place. (see link)
Augustine, whom has influenced much of our Reformed Christian heritage took the approach in the 418 Council of Carthage that babies shared in the misery of mankind's fallen state – meaning babies DIDN'T automatically go to heaven at death. Ambrose & Aquinas also advocated that babies do not automatically go to heaven but that if they did go to hell, they didn't suffer as much or any pain as would an adult.
The Reformed view, which has been strongly based on the Falleness of mankind & the rejection of some neutral state has moderated over the years but originally held that the children of the Elect (Christians) automatically go to heaven.
Since we are to judge of the will of God from his Word, which testifies that the children of believers are holy, not by nature, but in virtue of the covenant of grace, in which they, together with the parents, are comprehended, godly parents have no reason to doubt of the election and salvation of their children, whom it pleaseth God to call out of this life in their infancy. (1619 Canons of Dort 1:17)
Or from later, the Westminster Confession of Faith 1646,
Elect infants, dying in infancy, are regenerated and saved by Christ through the Spirit, who worketh when, and where, and how he pleaseth. So also are all other elect persons who are incapable of being outwardly called by the ministry of the Word. (WCF 10:3)
The overall sentiment by the Reformers is that while the infants of non-believers MAY go to hell, the children believers do automatically go to heaven.
In conclusion, though many people & even Christians presently have trouble believing that God might consign ANY infant to hell, the Bible & Christian theology has shown that not ALL infants are automatically saved...but that Christians have, either out of emotionalism or/& out of a desire to see God as merciful in this regard, at least give deference that people dying in infancy are most likely automatically saved. The matter is ultimately speculation.
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It makes no sense at all
It makes no sense at all that God would hold a baby responsible for not having the mental capacity to understand salvation. How could a baby, toddler or even a very young child really understand what it means to accept Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior? Why would God condemn a person to eternal Hell that has never had a chance to hear the word of God? That makes no sense at all. It isn't a matter of giving the baby a "free pass" which is what you seem to be against. Its the fact that it would be IMPOSSIBLE for a baby to accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God in infancy.
For that matter what about people who are mentally retarded. Are they condemed as well for not having the mental capacity to understand the word of God? I think not..
Difficult topic
Ginger,
First, I want to acknowledge that this is a very difficult topic. It is extremely emotional and could even be more so if the person has lost a child. I do have a child by the way and I'd do just about anything to protect her, so I understand the emotions. However let's look just at the Bible for a moment, setting aside our emotions. Let's see what happens if these things are pressed. For example, in Genesis when God flooded the world and only Noah and his family were saved; did babies and children die? Yes. (Gen 6:7) Did is "make sense" to wipe out those babies/children who from the reasoning you provide, shouldn't have been held responsible? Further, in 1 Sam 15:3 God instructed King Saul to:
Unless we are going to throw out portions of the Bible or try to make two different "gods" of the Bible; old testament and new testament God then here is an example of God actually telling someone to kill babies. Does it "make sense"...to our emotions?
Ginger, you asked:
The Bible says:
I think the hang up you're having about this is you must believe humans are born "innocent" and only become "condemnable" once they have the capacity to understand -- as if every human has some "age of accountability". Further, imagine what your reasoning above does to evangelism. If a person is only condemnable once they "hear the word of God" and reject it -- then the best thing we can do to assure people go to Heaven is NEVER preach the word of God to them. Don't teach your children. Don't send missionaries to African tribes who had never heard the Gospel, because according to your reasoning, the moment you do, the person now is condemnable if they reject it. It would seem better to leave them not "responsible". Maybe someone could take this further and say it might be better to kill your children BEFORE they reach this mystic age of accountability, since that would assure they have eternal life. I mean, which is more loving; allowing a child to live a natural life but die and go to hell or kill them before they condemn themselves so that they can live forever in Heaven? Even more, if a babies automatically go to Heaven, then abortionists may be sending more people to Heaven then all the missionaries in history. See how it is getting messier?
Now, whether God does or doesn't ultimately "give a pass" to babies and people with mental incompatibilities is not our call, no matter how much we want to try to make God as "loving" as we think He ought to be. Again, Ginger I know this is difficult. This ISN'T just my opinion on this, this is what the Bible says. God DID/DOES kill babies. People ARE ALREADY guilty/condemnable if they don't believe, whether they have heard the word of God or not.
So, now Ginger the question is; can you believe and follow a God like this? Can you reconcile your emotions with the Bible and God's sovereignty? Unfortunately, what a lot of people do is create in their minds, a "god" that is nothing like the God of Bible. I hope and pray for you. This is a difficult topic for sure.
I also missed in which post
I also missed in which post I ever said or even hinted at that humans have more power than God? What does that have to do with whether or not certain babies are sent to hell and others aren't? You are correct in saying that is unchristian, but I never said that..never even came close
God requires man to act and
God requires man to act and do something to be saves which an infant simply cannot do.
Matthew 18:5 And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me.
Matt 19 : 14. Jesus said " Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.
1 Cor 14 :20. Brothers, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults.
Deut 1:39 And the little ones that you would be taken captive, your children who do not yet know good from bad-they will enter the land. I will give it to them and they will take possesion of it.
I also find it interesting that you must aprove things before you post them. It is your choice to believe that there are babies in hell right now..but I will continue to believe otherwise.
Man has more power than God?
Hello again Ginger,
Thanks for writing. I always fully read every response and sometimes even spend a day or so praying about how to respond. Looking at Scripture to make sure I'm giving a biblical response. Please allow me to interact with your comments.
This makes God powerless. God has to wait for man to act and do something??? This isn't biblical. For example, Jesus in John 6:64-65 says
Even the power for a person to believe has to GRANTED by God.
See, Ginger the problem is that you are operating from a completely different premise/presupposition/starting point. You think humans are born innocent and only become "fallen" when they commit their first sin and when they can "understand" that they have sinned. Whereas the Bible says all men are born sinners after the Fall. You and I will never agree because you are operating on some other premise than the biblical premise that God is in control. For example, the entire story of Job, we see a man who is considered "righteous" at least as far as doing things that please God and yet what does God do to poor Job? Kills his children, his wife, destroys his livelihood and afflicts him. Why? To use your own words, "that makes no sense at all". At the end of the Job account, what is God's point? That He is God and He can do what He wants with His creation whether you or I (or Job) think it "makes sense" or not.
Although I appreciate the verses you quoted, the Bible isn't meant to be read like little jabs to throw in. Instead we must get a handle on the overarching presupposition; which I hope you agree is that GOD IS GOD AND WE'RE NOT. This means He can and does do what He wants. He is the Potter and we are the clay (Romans 9:9-24). To quote specifically:
It is as if Paul was addressing your objections before you were even born.
In your comment you cited 1 Cor 14:20
1 Cor 14:20 Brothers, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults.
Does God want us to think like infants when it comes to doctrines? Of course He wants us to be as naive as infants when it comes to evil and how to plot evil, but when it comes to THINKING (not feelings), God wants us to be mature.
And now for your last comment.
I also find it interesting that you must aprove things before you post them. It is your choice to believe that there are babies in hell right now..but I will continue to believe otherwise.
Of course I must approve or have someway of filtering comments before they are posted. I'm simply being a good steward with the site, otherwise the spam here would be awful. I have posted EVERY comment you have sent. As for my "choice", it isn't really about me Ginger, it is about what is Christian and biblical. It is UNChristian and UNBiblical to believe humans have more power than God. It is UNChristian and UNBiblical to believe humans start out innocent, otherwise it would be best to kill babies BEFORE they sin so at least they would live eternally. By what you are proposing; a person condemns a person the moment they preach the Gospel to them. Your view invalidates evangelism. If I believed like you, I'd never again tell another person about Jesus lest I make them condemnable where as per your reasoning they couldn't be held responsible. I'm sorry this is so difficult for you Ginger, but what you believe ISN'T Christian and ISN'T Biblical.
Actually it isn't difficult
Actually it isn't difficult for me at all to disagree with you. And to call the verses I presented to you "little jabs" is an interesting way to look at it. As far as "what God did to Job"..in my Bible, God didn't do anything to Job..God allowed Satan to do things to Job. The reason is so that God may be vindicated at His word and so that we might understand that trials and tribulations will come to those who are godly. In the former, we see the righteousness of God. After all, none are righteous before God (Rom. 3:10-12). In the latter we see the perfection of Job's faith (James 1:2-4).
Emotionalism vs Reason
Well Ginger, I don't know what to say to you any more. Emtionalism is stronger than reason only for a time, since emotionalism is erratic and baseless. You continue to say things without support. For example you said "God didn't do anything to Job..God allowed Satan to do things to Job." yet the Bible says:
Sure, God gives Satan leave to torment Job but Satan couldn't do it without God. Now you are not only saying man has more power than God (when you said men have to "act" before God can save them -- Lazarus didn't "act" before Jesus raised him), but now you seem to be giving Satan more power than God. In our everyday lives, if someone with more power "allowed" someone with lesser power to torment someone, who would we blame??? But further, the Bible says:
Here is God even taking responsibility for the things that are happening to Job as if God Himself is the one doing it.
I'm sorry Ginger but you are operating on emotionalism, not reason and certainly not on biblical precept. In your desire to justify this image of a "love-god" you have created, you have constantly downplayed if not outright distorted the God of the Bible. We began by talking about how infants died in the Flood...the Flood that God sent. How God commanded that infants were killed (1 Sam 15:3). We discussed how humans AREN'T born innocent. Yet you have ignored all this in an attempt to uphold your belief in a "love-god" that to sooth your conscience MUST automatically receive to Heaven, babies, small children, mentally disabled and even just people who had never heard the Gospel. This is a god of your own making, not the God of the Bible.
From the Bible (not from emotionalism) I have quoted:
Yet you ignore this and all the other biblical quotes that stack up against your emotionalism. Why? Because to you...
I will say to you what Elihu said to Job when Job complained about the "unfairness/no sense" of what was happening to him.
Elihu was calling out Job when Job began to think it "makes no sense" for God to do (or allow as you say) these things to Job. Job thinks what's the sense of trying to obey God if Job is still going to be tormented so.
Then God answers Job's emotionalism with this comment:
So, Ginger would you indeed annual God's judgment (right to do as He pleases -- Flood the earth killing even babies, command King Saul kill babies, send people to hell even if they had never heard/understood the Gospel) simply so it can "make sense" to you? Would you condemn God that you and your emotionalism may be justified?
Please don't take this personal Ginger. I'm not attacking you as a person. I once believed like you and my faith in God was almost shaken when I made the transition from seeing a "love-god" of my own making to seeing THE GOD of the Bible who can and does do whatever He wants and it is STILL righteous. At first, I was appalled at such a God. Perhaps like Job I thought to myself, "Then what good is it to obey God if at any moment He can do whatever He wants despite our 'righteousness'" I believe you are ALSO at this very pivotal point. You can continue worshiping a "love-god" of your own making or you can follow the God of the Bible (if He has granted it so John 6:64-65).
May this interaction with you be a help and a blessing to others. I thank God that you came here Ginger.
In Christ Jesus,
Roderick
You have drifted so far off
You have drifted so far off topic that it is almost comical. Of course God has the power to do what he wants whenever he wants, whether we understand it or not. He is God..he is perfect, and we as human beings can't always understand why or why not things happen the way they do. He could cure anyone of any disease, answer any prayer etc etc..the list is endless. I know of all the examples in which God has shown his anger and wrathi as well. But what does that have to do with babies..or should I say "unchosen" babies being sent to hell? The verses I have presented support what I and many other people who do not believe in "unconditonal" election believe.
See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven their angels always see the face of my Father who is in heaven. Matt 18:10
God Bless!
Back to the Presuppostions
Actually Ginger, I was simply following your lead and this is where we end up. Before we get to all the proof-texts, we must deal with the premise/presupposition. Yours has constantly been that "it makes no sense" for God to do XYZ. Mine (and most of Christianity's) presupposition has been that God is God and can do whatever He likes whether we think it is "fair" or "makes sense" to us.
Your presupposition has lead to a powerless "love-god" that must wait until a person "acts". You have consistently ignored ENTIRE themes of the Bible and instead come back with emotionalism or with single verse proof-texts you somehow think negates those ENTIRE themes.
Your idea that there is "conditional election" as if God is a respecter of persons(Acts 10:34) and as if we can meet some "condition" to merit salvation (Rom 3:12 -- you even quoted but ignored this verse) -- this is all UNbiblical.
The Bible is replete with God's CHOOSING and GRANTING of salvation to whom He pleases without anyone meeting some conjured "condition" -- especially since NONE IS GOOD enough to meet any merit for salvation. Again, I'm sorry Ginger that you want to compartmentalize your theology so one thing doesn't affect the other, but this is an issue about how the Gospel is effective and for whom it is effective -- babies or otherwise. Thanks again for all the time and effort you have put in here. I appreciate it greatly.
In Christ Jesus,
Roderick
First of all..its not how
First of all..its not how loving I feel God "ought" to be..it is how loving I know he is. God is love, and God does show love and mercy. I'm not saying God doesn't punish unbelieving people to Hell because he does. No I do not believe that people are born innocent, for we all sin as the Bible says. I also believe that salvation is a choice a person can choose to either accept or reject. A baby, small child, or someone that does not have the mental capacity to understand what that means just can't do it period. They are unable to believe because they are babies..just as they are unable to understand anything beyond crying to get their needs met! You say God does/did send babies to hell..where is your proof of that? Do you think that every baby that has died has gone to hell, or just the ones who weren't "chosen" ? Are you a person that belives in unconditonal election?
Why would David quit mourning his infant child when he died, if he thought he was in hell? Even if some dispute that by saying the hell in the Old Testament there was a great divide and people could see each other. I'm pretty confident in the fact that David knew his child was in Heaven.
As far as what you say about missionary efforts is quite silly. Of course we should continue to mission as the Bible instructs us to. But in the end it is a persons decision to follow Christ or not that will determine where they end up.If a person hears the word of God and rejects it, then they will go to hell. Plain and simple. And it is not the missionary as you say that would get them to heaven, or the abortionist that would send a baby to hell. If a baby did end up in hell, do you think that baby would understand why its there?
Where Do Babies Go When They Die
Thank you for this article. I am of the same mind. No one knows but God. He has predestined us from before the foundations of the world - only he can truly know.
So...
In other words, you don't have any answers either. So your point is just as valid as any other.
Luke 18:16
But Jesus called the children to him and said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.
You left out a few scriptures when making your point. You can't do that.
The answer is...
Thanks for the comments Monica. This is certainly an emotionally charged issue. The problem though, is we shouldn't use the Bible against itself. Quoting one verse to try to cancel out another verse is not helpful. I agree with you that the Bible is thematic, in that we must comprehend overall themes, not merely a proof-text here or there that SEEMS like it advocates one position over another.
The answer is, the theme of the Bible is that all humans are born under the curse of sin, fallen. If it was correct to assume children who don't reach some fictitious (non-biblical) "age of accountability", then wouldn't it be more loving for a parent to kill their children before they reach this age?? I mean, at least then we'd be assured they were going to heaven by this reasoning. By this reasoning , this means, abortion doctors have ensured more people are in heaven than perhaps all the evangelists throughout history.
Thanks again Monica, but I'll stick with the Bible on this one, and though we hope that God automatically lets babies and young children in heaven (btw, the "kingdom of God" ISN'T necessarily "heaven"), the Bible doesn't plainly state such about babies and young children.
Infants Innocent
I believe we have many reasons to interpret various passages of scripture in many ways to support or refute the idea of infants who die being saved or condemned. Ultimately the question is moot since our opinions will neither condemn nor save that child, but they may certainly help or hinder a grief-stricken parent. I have seen how the words of a minister left a woman in anguish for over 50 years. She lost a 5-year-old daughter to a mob during WW2, when they attacked her and threw her child into a river. Her minister refused to bury the child in the church yard, claiming she was in hell, having never been baptized. This poor mother's suffering was a real form of hell, which she did not deserve. In her eighties she came to understand that her minister was in error, she realized she wanted to be saved with her daughter some day. Christ said of children that "of such is the kingdom of heaven." The Spirit bears witness that this is true. "But little children are alive in Christ, even from the foundation of the world; if not so, God is a partial God, and also a changeable God, and a respecter to persons; for how many little children have died without baptism! For behold that all little children are alive in Christ, and also all they that are without the law. For the power of redemptioni cometh on all them that have no law; wherefore, he that is not condemned, or he that is under no condemnation, cannot repent; and unto such baptism availeth nothing."
Jer 1:5 5 Before I formed
Jer 1:5
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
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Luke 1:41
41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
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Luke 19:9-10
9 And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.
10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
KJV